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Published Date: May 17, 2024

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Home, Church, and World: What is Headship Theology? Part 2 with Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams

This second installment of a two-part episode is a part of a new segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. We’re joined by Andrew Bartlett and Terran Williams, two biblical teachers who have written extensively on women and the church. In this episode, Andrew and Terran discuss the concept of the ‘tiebreaker rule’ in marriage and argue for a mutualist perspective that emphasizes equal partnership over hierarchy. They talk about Junia as an apostle in Romans 16:7 and dispel common misconceptions about Paul’s views on women, underscoring his empowerment of women leaders in the early church. 

00:00 Welcome to Mutuality Matters: Exploring Gender Equality in Leadership
00:34 Debunking the Tiebreaker Rule in Marriage
01:15 Mutualism in Practice: Real-Life Marriage Dynamics
04:21 Scriptural Insights on Mutual Decision-Making
05:05 Junia’s Role and Women’s Leadership in the Early Church
11:14 Paul’s Example: Empowering Women in Ministry
14:32 Final Thoughts: Encouragement for Men and Women in Leadership
19:26 Connecting with the Speakers and Further Resources
20:59 Closing Remarks and Invitation to Support CBE International 

Related Resources
How God Sees Women: The End of Patriarchy 
Men and Women in Christ: Fresh Light From Biblical Texts 
Andrew and Terran’s “Response to Mike Winger” 


The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.